← Read the currency articleSaxon–Bohemian silver-thaler reckoning: research record
Evidence coverage: 1500–1520. This is the span of collected observations, not the currency’s lifetime.
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Saxon–Bohemian silver-thaler reckoning
CUR-V49-SAXON-THALER · Research draft
One scoped currency identity. Changes to subdivisions, scale, standard, instruments or issuers do not by themselves create children. A distinct account unit can remain a successor.
Dated observations: 1500–1520; this does not establish the entire lifetime.
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Unit and issue records 1 records
Evidence within this identity, not separate currencies.
Silver-gulden and thaler reckoning · C2115
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Silver-gulden and thaler reckoningSaxon silver-gulden reckoning began with a 21-groschen equivalent of the gold gulden. Joachimsthal followed the Saxon standard; the later thaler tradition must be distinguished from regional accounts that diverged from its specie value.
Sources and qualifications → Account-unit observations
Dated evidence, not exact birth or extinction dates.
1500–1520qualifiedSaxon silver-gulden reckoning began with a 21-groschen equivalent of the gold gulden. Joachimsthal followed the Saxon standard; the later thaler tradition must be distinguished from regional accounts that diverged from its specie value.
C2115
Evidence & research notes 4 claims
Dated observations, not a proven complete lifespan.
Inference C2115
Saxon silver-gulden reckoning began with a 21-groschen equivalent of the gold gulden. Joachimsthal followed the Saxon standard; the later thaler tradition must be distinguished from regional accounts that diverged from its specie value.
Deutsche Bundesbank · Deutsche Taler: Von den Anfängen der Talerprägung bis zum Dreißigjährigen Krieg (foreword 1966) Citation S1112 ·
Open source ↗Printed pp. X–XII and XVI–XVII; Printed pp. XV and XXI–XXII; PDF pages 23 and 29–30
Source access and limitations
Not a complete origin, lifespan or current-status audit.
Deutsche Bundesbank · Deutsche Taler: Vom Dreißigjährigen Krieg bis zum Ende der Talerprägung (foreword 1967) Citation S1113 ·
Open source ↗Printed pp. X–XII and XVI–XVII; Printed pp. XV and XXI–XXII; PDF pages 23 and 29–30
Source access and limitations
Not a complete origin, lifespan or current-status audit.
Qualified C2124
The silver-gulden and thaler tradition grew from a deliberate gold-gulden value basis, through the Saxon and Joachimsthal standards. The regional account development is compressed here, not a sequence of separately invented coin currencies.
Deutsche Bundesbank · Deutsche Taler: Von den Anfängen der Talerprägung bis zum Dreißigjährigen Krieg (foreword 1966) Citation S1112 ·
Open source ↗Printed pp. X–XII and XVI–XVII
Source access and limitations
Not a complete origin, lifespan or current-status audit.
Qualified C2125
Earlier thaler reckoning continued into the Brandenburg-Prussian courant account, distinct from specie coin value. The 1750 reform coined the existing 24-groschen unit.
Deutsche Bundesbank · Deutsche Taler: Vom Dreißigjährigen Krieg bis zum Ende der Talerprägung (foreword 1967) Citation S1113 ·
Open source ↗Printed pp. XV and XXI–XXII; PDF pages 23 and 29–30; Object commentary on the 1667 Zinna agreement and Brandenburg implementation from 1670
Source access and limitations
Not a complete origin, lifespan or current-status audit.
Staatliche Museen zu Berlin, Münzkabinett · Brandenburg-Preußen: Friedrich Wilhelm, 1679, object 18214596 Citation S1119 ·
Open source ↗Printed pp. XV and XXI–XXII; PDF pages 23 and 29–30; Object commentary on the 1667 Zinna agreement and Brandenburg implementation from 1670
Source access and limitations
Not a complete origin, lifespan or current-status audit.
Qualified C2129
Swedish silver-daler adoption in 1534 followed the Joachimsthaler monetary model, within the Saxon-Bohemian silver-thaler tradition. The four-mark Swedish daler account is excluded from this specie identity.
Rodney Edvinsson, Sveriges Riksbank · Swedish monetary standards in a historical perspective (2010) Citation S1117 ·
Open source ↗Printed pp. 28, 50 and 53; silver daler, Joachimsthaler and later specie terminology; Printed pp. X–XII and XVI–XVII
Source access and limitations
Not a complete origin, lifespan or current-status audit.
Deutsche Bundesbank · Deutsche Taler: Von den Anfängen der Talerprägung bis zum Dreißigjährigen Krieg (foreword 1966) Citation S1112 ·
Open source ↗Printed pp. 28, 50 and 53; silver daler, Joachimsthaler and later specie terminology; Printed pp. X–XII and XVI–XVII
Source access and limitations
Not a complete origin, lifespan or current-status audit.
Supported C2121
Sweden introduced the silver daler in 1534 on the Joachimsthaler model. Its later riksdaler-specie history is distinct from the daler account fixed at four marks.
Rodney Edvinsson, Sveriges Riksbank · Swedish monetary standards in a historical perspective (2010) Citation S1117 ·
Open source ↗Printed pp. 28, 50 and 53; silver daler, Joachimsthaler and later specie terminology
Source access and limitations
Not a complete origin, lifespan or current-status audit.
Supported C2119
Brandenburg joined Saxony in the 1667 Zinna arrangements, applied throughout its mints from 1670. The 1750 Prussian thaler embodied the existing 24-groschen account rather than beginning a wholly new account unit.
Staatliche Museen zu Berlin, Münzkabinett · Brandenburg-Preußen: Friedrich Wilhelm, 1679, object 18214596 Citation S1119 ·
Open source ↗Object commentary on the 1667 Zinna agreement and Brandenburg implementation from 1670; Printed pp. XV and XXI–XXII; PDF pages 23 and 29–30
Source access and limitations
Not a complete origin, lifespan or current-status audit.
Deutsche Bundesbank · Deutsche Taler: Vom Dreißigjährigen Krieg bis zum Ende der Talerprägung (foreword 1967) Citation S1113 ·
Open source ↗Object commentary on the 1667 Zinna agreement and Brandenburg implementation from 1670; Printed pp. XV and XXI–XXII; PDF pages 23 and 29–30
Source access and limitations
Not a complete origin, lifespan or current-status audit.